im in the pie plate camp and happy with it. then i never have shot of a bench. all my shooting is done as i would hunt sitting, leaned on a tree, on my hind legs with out support... then i im also more of a still hunter than sitting somewhere and falling asleep waking up and its darker than the inside of a boot. try explaining to the warden why your coming out of the woods with a flashlight and gun at 9pm.