and...........it is no surprise a different bullet is needed but if you look at the recommended game by manufacturers and ammo people, they paint a diff picture. like ammo manufacturers talking about 300gr xtps out of a 460 at laserlike velocities being good for any game that walks. sorry, but untrue......and i think people need to know the good the bad and the ugly and what given bullets will really work on which animals. i helped guide on oryx at a local ranch. i saw lots of bullet failures and lots of successes, i saw quite a few hunters walk off after we had to finish their animal and be somewhat surprised that what worked on deer didn't work here. thankfully we found nearly all the oryx and recovered their animals. that's what these discussions are about, and what the bovine bash was about, bullet testing on big animals.