I know your probably being facetious, but I've got to brag on these 178gr AMAX at these slower velocities (2,370 fps). This makes kill #7 (2 WT bucks, 3 hogs, 1 javelina, and a fox) this last year with them from the 13" SP's and EVERY one blew thru the animal and either dropped them where they stood or made for a tracking job that looked like blood was being poured from a 5 gallon bucket. Very impressed with them...