OK I am going to drop this now between us two; my apologies to the rest of our members for side-tracking.

I like craig44's wording: QUOTE: "I have had complete and utter bullet failures that both scared and angered me but the critter was deader than fried chicken. I've also had bullets that did better than I hoped or expected but the critter still ran 100yds."

Bottom line is there are so many variables here it keeps us all reloading!