I used cast SWCs in .357, .44 (several times), and .45-70. Thought they would be the berries. Maybe so for other people, but I lost every one of these birds. Hit them all, but never recovered any of them. With my .454 HPs the distance moved of every turkey I killed has been 0 to 1 FOOT. Maybe I wasn't holding my tongue right on the ones I lost.