It's definitely been a great thread, but I honestly think that they all are. Hopefully, people will be curious enough to test and try these bullets in question out for themselves, not the "I read it, it must be true" philosophy. Bullets to me are like many other things in life....advancements are GREAT....I know if something has worked for 200 years, well, oh no, let's not change it or make it better.....Outhouses work, but thank god for indoor plumbing.....cross cut saws cut down trees, but not like a chain saw, and last but not least, vaccines save lives, but some people are still resistant.....have a wonderful day