thanks Zee,
I just loaded 4.8 grains of titegroup under a 245 pcswc keith bullet at 850-875. accuracy at 25 yards was less than 1.5 inches and 3 inches at 50 yards. plenty good for whitetails at 20 yards. i will experiment with hotter loads for me but for my wife, she can shoot the mild loads and kill any deer at 20 yards that she hits in the goodies. will be shooting these out of a ruger stainless flattop 4 5/8" barrel. these loads were shot out of a ruger redhawk 44 mag with 4.25" barrel over a chronograph.
I think i will proressively go hotter until she says "too much" back it down a bit and that will be her hunting load for the gun.