thanks for the replies. i decided to work up some loads with Universal powder and they shoot great. i ran some with the speer deep curls and the keith PCSWC bullets i cast. both are amazing accurate and hit with enough authority to get the job done. I shot through a moving 200 pound hog broadside with the cast bullet but no recovery- a gut hit with a cast bullet is still a bad hit if you dont put it where it needs to go.