Once again, thanks. I got a chance to shoot my 480 today. No where near as bad as i was expecting. Now, i was using the Hornady 325gr. Factory claim is 1350fps out of a 7 1/2" tube. Gun Blast.com said the averaged about 1330 +/- a few fps. I have the 9 1/2". Very managable recoil. Actualy i think my 45/8 SBH with 320gr cast has more muzzle flip. I even shot single handed and managed to hit my target at 25.