I love my 7-30 waters in a 14in super. My 12 year old daughter shot a 1 7/8 in. 3 shot group at 200 meters with 120gn at 2550fps, and a nice little mulie buck at 125yds. The 30-30 brass is easy to find and one pass through the die and your ready to go. I got a 16 in barrel to go on a rifle stock for a while, and now hunt with a loooong SS. With 110gn Barnes TTSX I am getting 2700fps out of the 16. The 7TCU brass is a little more work but 223 is everywhere, and its easy to find a 7TCU barrel on the auctions for cheap. You can get a little more V with the 7-30 at 250yds, but the 7TCU is no slouch. So if your a red blooded americain...get both, life is short.